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BAGHDAD, Iraq -- The war is a fraud. I'm not talking about the weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist. Or the links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida that didn't exist. Nor all the other lies upon which we went to war. I'm talking about the new lies.

For just as, before the war, our governments warned us of threats that did not exist; now they hide from us the threats that do exist. Much of Iraq has fallen outside the control of the United States' puppet government in Baghdad but we are not told. Hundreds of attacks are made against U.S. troops every month. But unless an American dies, we are not told. Last month's death toll of Iraqis in Baghdad alone topped 700, the worst month since the invasion ended. But we are not told.

The stage management of this catastrophe in Iraq was all too evident at Saddam's "trial." Not only did the U.S. military censor the tapes of the event. Not only did they effectively delete all sound of the 11 other defendants. But the Americans led Saddam to believe -- until he reached the courtroom -- that he was on his way to his execution. Indeed, when he entered the room he believed that the judge was there to condemn him to death. This, after all, was the way Saddam ran his own state security courts. No wonder he initially looked "disorientated" -- CNN's helpful description -- because, of course, he was meant to look that way. We had made sure of that. Which is why Saddam asked Judge Juhi: "Are you a lawyer? ... Is this a trial?" And swiftly, as he realized that this really was an initial court hearing -- not a preliminary to his own hanging -- he quickly adopted an attitude of belligerence.

But don't think we're going to learn much more about Saddam's future court appearances. Salem Chalabi, the brother of convicted fraudster Ahmad and the man entrusted by the Americans with the tribunal, told the Iraqi press two weeks ago that all media would be excluded from future court hearings. And I can see why. Because if Saddam does a Slobodan Milosevic, he'll want to talk about the real intelligence and military connections of his regime, which were primarily with the United States.

Living in Iraq these past few weeks is a weird as well as dangerous experience. I drive down to Najaf. Highway 8 is one of the worst in Iraq. Westerners are murdered there. It is littered with burnt-out police vehicles and American trucks. Every police post for 70 miles has been abandoned. Yet a few hours later, I am sitting in my room in Baghdad watching Tony Blair, grinning in the House of Commons as if he is the hero of a school debating competition; so much for the Butler report.

Indeed, watching any Western television station in Baghdad these days is like tuning in to Planet Mars. Doesn't Blair realize that Iraq is about to implode? Doesn't President Bush realize this? The American-appointed "government" controls only parts of Baghdad -- and even there its ministers and civil servants are car-bombed and assassinated. Baquba, Samara, Kut, Mahmoudiya, Hilla, Fallujah, Ramadi, all are outside government authority. Ayad Allawi, the "prime minister," is little more than mayor of Baghdad. "Some journalists," Blair announces, "almost want there to be a disaster in Iraq." He doesn't get it. The disaster exists now.

When suicide bombers ram their cars into hundreds of recruits outside police stations, how on Earth can anyone hold an election next January?

Even the National Conference to appoint those who will arrange elections has been postponed twice. And looking back through my notebooks over the past five weeks, I find that not a single Iraqi, not a single American soldier I have spoken to, not a single mercenary -- be he American, British or South African -- believes that there will be elections in January. All said that Iraq is deteriorating by the day. And most asked why we journalists weren't saying so.

But in Baghdad, I turn on my television and watch Bush telling his Republican supporters that Iraq is improving, that Iraqis support the "coalition," that they support their new U.S.-manufactured government, that the "war on terror" is being won, that Americans are safer. Then I go to an Internet site and watch two hooded men hacking off the head of an American in Riyadh, tearing at the vertebrae of an American in Iraq with a knife.

Each day, the papers here list another construction company pulling out of the country. And I go down to visit the friendly, tragically sad staff of the Baghdad mortuary and there, each day, are dozens of those Iraqis we supposedly came to liberate, screaming and weeping and cursing as they carry their loved ones on their shoulders in cheap coffins.

I keep re-reading Blair's statement: "I remain convinced it was right to go to war. It was the most difficult decision of my life." And I cannot understand it. It may be a terrible decision to go to war. Even Neville Chamberlain thought that; but he didn't find it a difficult decision -- because, after the Nazi invasion of Poland, it was the right thing to do.

Driving the streets of Baghdad now, watching the terrified American patrols, hearing yet another thunderous explosion shaking my windows and doors after dawn, I realize what all this means. Going to war in Iraq, invading Iraq last year, was the most difficult decision Blair had to make because he thought -- correctly -- that it might be the wrong decision. I will always remember his remark to British troops in Basra, that the sacrifice of British soldiers was not Hollywood but "real flesh and blood."

Yes, it was real flesh and blood that was shed -- but for weapons of mass destruction that weren't real at all.

"Deadly force is authorized," it says on checkpoints all over Baghdad.

Authorized by whom? There is no accountability. Repeatedly, on the great highways out of the city U.S. soldiers shriek at motorists and open fire at the least suspicion. "We had some Navy SEALS down at our checkpoint the other day," a 1st Cavalry sergeant says to me. "They asked if we were having any trouble. I said, yes, they've been shooting at us from a house over there. One of them asked: 'That house?' We said yes. So they have these three SUVs and a lot of weapons made of titanium and they drive off toward the house. And later they come back and say 'We've taken care of that.' And we didn't get shot at any more."

What does this mean? The Americans are now bragging about their siege of Najaf. Lt. Col. Garry Bishop of the 37th Armored Division's 1st Battalion believes it was an "ideal" battle (even though he failed to kill or capture Muqtada al-Sadr whose "Mehdi army" was fighting the U.S. forces). It was "ideal," Bishop explained, because the Americans avoided damaging the holy shrines of the Imams Ali and Hussein. What are Iraqis to make of this?

What if a Muslim army occupied Kent and bombarded Canterbury and then bragged that they hadn't damaged Canterbury Cathedral? Would we be grateful?

What, indeed, are we to make of a war that is turned into a fantasy by those who started it? As foreign workers pour out of Iraq for fear of their lives, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell tells a press conference that hostage taking is having an "effect" on reconstruction. Effect! Oil pipeline explosions are now as regular as power cuts. In parts of Baghdad now, they have only four hours of electricity a day; the streets swarm with foreign mercenaries, guns poking from windows, shouting abusively at Iraqis who don't clear the way for them. This is the "safer" Iraq that Blair was boasting of the other day. What world does the British government exist in?

Take the Saddam trial. The entire Arab press -- including the Baghdad papers -- prints the judge's name. Indeed, the same judge has given interviews about his charges of murder against Muqtada al-Sadr. He has posed for newspaper pictures. But when I mention his name in The Independent, the British government's spokesman solemnly censured me. Salem Chalabi threatened to prosecute me.

So let me get this right. We illegally invade Iraq. We kill up to 11,000 Iraqis. And Chalabi, appointed by the Americans, says I'm guilty of "incitement to murder." That just about says it all.

Robert Fisk writes for The Independent in Britain.
 

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Wil, How many hours a day do you spend searching for and reading these Eurocentric fruitloops?

Most of the stuff you copy and paste is biased and exaggerated to the extreme.

It's becaoming a case of blah blah blah; all words, no substance.
 

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BB, Patriot's articles are just as bad or far worse - he posted one that said Bush protected this country and won the Cold War by flying sortie missions - obviously, Bush was never in any military - as for flying, well, yes, he loved to fly high.
 

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Seymour our beloved President George W. Bush was a trained fighter pilot in the National Guard patrolling our boarders as a strong deterent against the threat of the communist nemaces the Soviet Union.
 

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Bush is by far the worst and Patriot believes every word he says. Patriot still thinks Iraq has WMD.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bblight:
Wil, How many hours a day do you spend searching for and reading these Eurocentric fruitloops?
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Shouldn't take too long. Confining oneself to the quality English press there is the Times, (Manchester) Guardian, Telegraph and Independent.
 

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You know, maybe you guys are right. Maybe the region has run out of gunpowder and everyone spends thier time playing checkers in the park and living thier life like a "Leave it To Beaver" script.
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America has the only starving fat people in the world, it's really tough for our poor to have to settle for so much fatty foods.

America still has the lowest un-employment rate in the world, amazing what we whine over these days.
 

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Nice little lie there Game, but the US isn't anywhere near the lowest unemployment rate in the world. UK, Japan, New Zealand, Austria, Portugal, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, Ireland, Singapore, Malaysia, and South Korea all have lower rates of unemployment. Those are some of the "industrialized" countries, there are others such as Mexico and Thailand that have dubious counting methods that are "officially" lower.

Amazing you would cite a stat that is so incredibly wrong without even thinking about it. Even "W" wouldn't try to make such a blatant lie, or would he?
 

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Easily the stongest growth economy in the world to day, no one else is close.

5.5% unemployment rate is considered full employment.

Over 600,000 new non farm jobs added which means people have enough money to start their own Buis. due to the Bush tax cuts.

Consumer confidence is the best its been in years.
Manufacturing jobs growth the best its beem in 30 years.
 

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does Patriot remind you of anyone....
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
Easily the stongest growth economy in the world to day, no one else is close.

5.5% unemployment rate is considered full employment.

Over 600,000 new non farm jobs added which means people have enough money to start their own Buis. due to the Bush tax cuts.

Consumer confidence is the best its been in years.
Manufacturing jobs growth the best its beem in 30 years. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
 

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A person loses a $50,000 job and finds another at $30,000 and you consider it growth.

Ask one of the 5.5% unemployed if they consider themselves fully employed.

If a person could start a new business on
Bush tax cuts it's probably not going to succeed. The only thing Bush tax cuts did was to increase the deficit and supply his campaign fund with needed recourses from the people who benefited most from it.

You need to read todays paper about consumer confidence.

The reality is that Mr. Bush refuses to take any responsibility for his administrations economic shortcomings. He seems to think every problem was carried over from the Clinton administration and four years later it's still Clintons fault.
 

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I think the economy is cyclical and can't entirely be blamed on any one president - I know this guy has more excuses than a minority in prison but certaintly 911 hurt the economy immensely.

My problem with Bush is Iraq.
 

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Eltonio, that's another problem I have with Bush - everything is someone else's fault - the economy is Clinton's fault, corporate corruption is Clinton's fault (though his best friend is Kenny "Boy" Lay), 911 is Clinton's fault, etc.
 

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When did bush blame Clinton for anything?He should have blamed him more but he has more class than that if not brains.

When he took office the economy was already heading south due to all those HIGH paying phoney baloney .com companies going broke.
9/11 was a trillion dollar hit to the economy.
And Enron was at the peak of its scamming during the CLINTON years and Ken lay is being brought to justice in the BUSH years..Enron gave heavily to Clinton also.

How about Terry Mcaullife? Clintons buddy and head of the DNC? He made around 16 million bucks when Global Crossing tanked,he just happned to sell off just in time.
These fraud companies did their heviest scamming under Clinton and has effected Bushes economy.
As far as high paying jobs go...kerry voted for NAFTA and free trade agreements 16 times!!..but did you know he went to vietnam??
 

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